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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 485 for the 4th of

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February 2018 Richard Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia where it's

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stinking hot one day and mild the next

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you may remember that last week I

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mentioned that I could have been coming

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down like some sort of skeptical cold or

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something wow it hit me like a ton of

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bricks I was flat on my back for a

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couple of days well a couch potato

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really doing very little so those people

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who send emails and wanted to

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communicate with me apologies that there

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was just trying to get better drinking

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lots of soup and tea and things like

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that and I'm I'm on the mend I'm almost

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better

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enough to bring you a skeptic zone

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coming up this week the welcome return

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of the Ross skeptic herself Heidi

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Robinson Heidi's going to be reporting

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on various news articles in the last

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week or two in relation to vaccinations

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of course including an update to the

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story we brought you last week about the

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nurse who was trying to fight attempts

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by the government authority to censure

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her or reprimand her or investigate her

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or whatever the case may be we find out

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the latest on that plus some other

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stories in the world of the VAX is and

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the anti-vaxxers following that it's an

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odd sort of story that I found while

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doing research on the great prediction

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project I discovered a wonderful article

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or advertisement from way back in 1980

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about sort of the end of the world or

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prophecy or predictions it's very scary

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not it's quite interesting and a good

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lesson for us today believe it or not

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that's coming up in the middle of the

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show then to round off the show

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Maynard's back again this may not spooky

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action may not heads back to skeptics in

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the pub just a couple of days ago I was

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unable to make it sadly I really

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I don't like missing out on skeptics in

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the pub I really have a good time but

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with the recent death of our friend

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Barry Williams may not ask pub goers how

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would they would like to be remembered

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how would skeptics like to be remembered

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once they go was a question we can all

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ponder maybe some of us would like to be

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forgotten I don't know that's

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Maynard's usual madness coming up at the

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end of the show also coming up at the

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end of the show some information about

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some upcoming events around the

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skeptical community but now it's time

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for me to grab those cats where are they

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all there she is hey you gonna say meow

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I don't know if you heard that she woke

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up and said meow and went back to sleep

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you awake no you're awake now yeah she

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comes off the shelf in the studio come

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on come on she jumps up and touches my

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hand which means he gets a scratch on

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her head that's more okay more you and I

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are gonna run downstairs I'm gonna have

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another cup of chicken soup while I do

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that I hope you enjoy the skipping zone

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone

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Heidi Robertson here from the Northern

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Rivers vaccination supporters we have an

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update to the report that Richard gave

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us recently on episode 484 about some

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nurses that are facing possible

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short and sweet and comes to us from the

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same journalist Vander Carson of The

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Courier Mail and it was printed on the

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30th of January 2018 quote anti

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watchdog a Sunshine Coast nurse accused

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a quote rabidly anti-vaccine secret

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has failed in her bid to block the

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health watchdog from considering

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sunshine Beach represented herself

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person claiming to be from Western

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Australia boasted on social media that

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medical exemption parents can only claim

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benefits from centre link if their

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children are immunized or have a medical

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federal government removed conscientious

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objection as a valid excuse in 2016

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vaccination advocacy website reasonable

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medical exemption they are not entitled

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person using the name Amanda Hooton who

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had quote told a white lie to get an

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exemption for her second child she

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older daughter who had come out in a

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rash after being given penicillin quote

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month needles and then I went back to

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reaction and said that's what happened

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vaccination Australia quote she recorded

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on any other immunizations she referred

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us to an immunologist and I quote forgot

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end quote about the appointment and have

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never looked back she now starts school

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next week and is the healthiest kid ever

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bad I know I will be removing these

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end quote the comments were removed from

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social media two years ago a person

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calling herself Amanda Hooton described

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pictures to get an exemption for her

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then 19 month old after being quote

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immunizations at that time the woman

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reaction to immunization shots not

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penicillin quote feel free to use my

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pictures to convince a GP that your

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child had a reaction this stuff is

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the woman wrote on social media the West

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entitled to receive when the newspaper

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tried to seek a response Ms Huijin said

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her daughter was legally on a medical

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exemption end quote and that is the end

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of that article that piece was followed

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simply common sense if you hold strong

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anti vaccination views you should

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probably look away now because you will

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not believe anything I am about to say

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can I start by shattering the myth that

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companies to write pro vaccination

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propaganda and push up their share

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prices this is a cliche that continues

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telethon kids Institute in order to

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parents who just want the best for their

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children I am prompted to write this

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concerns that some people could be

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giving false information to doctors to

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claim welfare benefits and even boasting

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of it since the federal government's no

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jab no pay laws were introduced two

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their children they are ineligible for

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some welfare payments but there are

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telling doctors that their child has

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order to get a medical exemption from

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further vaccinations and still get paid

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the number of these parents has the

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potential to grow because they are using

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circumvented laws designed to protect

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payments to parents who recognize the

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importance of public health measures for

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the common good not just for individual

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children they are not intended to

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whitewash what is an indisputable fact

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that there is a very small risk for

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vaccines like any drugs pose what we

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number of children have had abnormally

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severe reactions some catastrophic

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because of a particular vaccine these

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are tragic cases with profound

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life-changing consequences but if your

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child suffered a devastating freak

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injury in a car accident caused by their

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seat belt would you regard all seatbelts

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as dangerous and believe people should

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not have to wear them it is the same

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common-sense approach weighing up the

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countless times seatbelts have saved

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death or a more serious injury - except

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that millions of vaccines are used for

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children every year with an extremely

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vaccines were so risky our hospital

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so does it really matter if people are

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claiming welfare benefits they are not

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entitled to does the government have the

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right to force them to vaccinate their

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children of course the government does

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not have any such power and if people

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vaccinating they could simply forego the

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payment but it appears some do not want

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to give it up and instead want to

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circumvent the rules but there is

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actually a far more dangerous

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consequence of attempts to flout the

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laws by pretending a child has suffered

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a reaction to an immunization first

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others hear of these cases the unedited

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version and for some people with mixed

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feelings about vaccinating their

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children this can reinforce their fears

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that there is a good chance their child

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will be harmed by vaccinations second

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doctors are required to report adverse

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reactions to vaccines to provide

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authorities with real-time monitoring of

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their safety

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so when false cases are reported to them

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it skews the statistics to suggest

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vaccines are more dangerous than they

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actually are this is largely the agenda

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of the vocal anti-vaccination movement

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to overplay the risks and play down the

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benefits this nonsense continues to be

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peddled even in 2018 and still has the

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potential to cause a panicky shift away

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from vaccinations it never ceases to

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amaze me how people who purport to care

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so much about children can talk of

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wanting to see other people's children

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quote die a slow death

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end quote or being left severely

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disabled from a vaccine these are

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comments myself and other journalists

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have received finally for the record I

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am NOT on the payroll of Big Pharma nor

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am i quote told to sugarcoat facts

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and stories by my editor or anyone else

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I have managed to work this all out for

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myself using a good dose of common sense

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and science end quote

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and that's the end of the article and

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for the record I and all of us at n RVs

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are also not on the payroll of Big

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Pharma as the topic of vaccination

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continues to come up in the media we can

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only hope that people will gain more

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awareness surrounding the importance of

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vaccination not only for their children

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but for the wider community if you are

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in doubt about what if any adult

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boosters you may need you can visit our

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website at n RV s dot info go to the

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resources tab and see the guide to adult

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immunization for Australia

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till next time this has been hiding hi

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this is Ben Radford and this is Pascual

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Romero from the squaring the strange

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podcast every week my co-host and I

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casts a skeptical eye on a different

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topic monsters ghosts demons mysteries

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and even current events are dissected

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and discussed with a fun unscripted and

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skeptical take that you're sure to enjoy

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wake up Australia prophecy has much to

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tell us of what is coming on earth only

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too soon communism will be defeated that

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is for certain but there will be seven

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years of hell on earth first beginning

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next year this dire warning comes in the

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form of two full pages taken out in The

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Sydney Morning Herald newspaper in 1980

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way back in April in 1980 I discovered

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this while I was doing research for the

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prediction project looking back over the

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years many many years looking for such

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terms as prophecy prediction and this

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little gem came up now 1980 is outside

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the the window of time I'm looking at my

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window really starts from the year 2000

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onwards but this was such a gem I had to

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go to the state library here in Sydney

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and go to the microfilm section and get

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a copy of this wonderful wonderful bit

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of I don't know what he'd call it not

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scaremongering exactly I guess it is in

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a way it would have cost whoever it was

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quite a lot of money two full pages and

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then half a page in the next month

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saying more or less the same thing in

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fact I'm reading excerpts from the

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smaller one however they all say much

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the same thing let me give you a flavour

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Nostradamus Fatima the Holy Bible modern

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charismatic prophecy and so on all agree

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that the time of tribulation such as the

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world has never seen the time of Jacob's

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trouble

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they can fix those things these days the

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great day of wrath of God is at hand

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in 1980 the timetable for the seven

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years is roughly as follows oh this is

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exciting I never remember it happening

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at the time but you never know

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and whoever wrote this goes on to say in

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the next paragraph I do not guarantee

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that this is absolutely correct well

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there you go

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I do guarantee the Holy Bible is proved

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leave true but just hope about the rest

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hope indeed but I think it is true and

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there's in brackets it says D . mcl .

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maybe that's a clue about who wrote this

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anyway if this is not quite true it is

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very close to the truth there you go

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so it goes on March 1981 charismatic

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prophecy becoming world dictator the

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Beast of Revelations Worth's revelation

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but anyway the wicked of 2nd

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Thessalonians the king of the north of

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Daniel 11 gog gog gog of the land of

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Magog the chief Prince of Meshech Moscow

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and tubal Galinski in other words the

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worst man who ever lived the Antichrist

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will be given power or authority over

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the whole world thus becoming world

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dictator in 1981 I need anyone I think I

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must have missed something his coming

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will be quote after the work of Satan

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with all power and all signs of living

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wonders and with deceivableness of

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unrighteousness in them that perish

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because they received not the love of

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the truth that they might be saved in

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quote 2 Thessalonians 2:9 to 10 this

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will not be until many millions of God's

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praying Muslims are slain now that's

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that's a bit harsh may 1981 charismatic

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prophecy the daily sacrifice will be

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taken away Oh June 1981 charismatic

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prophecy the rapture of the Saints the

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Lord himself shall descend from heaven

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or something like that with the voice of

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the Archangel with the triumph of God

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and the dead in Christ shall rise first

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boy and it goes on it goes on and on and

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on it's ink it's very small type you see

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now you can imagine this sort of thing

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going on over full - full broadsheet

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papers in the in the Sydney Morning

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Herald where's another goodie about

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halfway through it says please dear

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everyone do not blame holy God for all

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this that will only cut you off from

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your only source of help and is not

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really God's fault it is bordering on

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rambling and there is a lot of it and

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just flipping over to the the two big

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full-page spreads of more or less the

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same thing it's actually not this

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similar of course but it's not the same

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isn't that interesting whoever wrote

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this just kept ranting well here's an

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interesting one about halfway through

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one of the huge pages under the

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subheading Daniel - the king of the

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north will be slain prophesizing Game of

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Thrones what do you think he shall plant

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the tabernacle of his palace between the

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Seas in the glorious holy mountain yet

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he shall come to his end and none shall

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help him hmm I think I could write a

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long-running miniseries based on this

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other highlights include we must

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manifest the fruits of the spirit as

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given in Galatians 5:22 - 23 there are

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joy love peace long-suffering gentleness

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goodness faith etc the Lord has given in

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the Lord has given in charismatic

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prophecy that this meeting in the air as

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described in 1st Thessalonians 4 15 - 18

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will take place next year yeah ok we

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skipped a page - column 4 fight down at

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random without doubt the devil

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is trying to wreck civilization and take

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the world over he's still trying this

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alas he is about to do through the worst

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man who ever lived the Antichrist whom

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God tells us in charismatic prophecy

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will step onto the world stage this

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month April 1980 he will not take over

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though till March 1981 so there you go

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everybody we could go back now look at

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all the records see who stepped onto the

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world stage in April 1980 yep and then

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we get to the very last column right

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down the bottom in small writing aha

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aha as I record this it says God bless

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you all please read all of this

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carefully it will affect your eternal

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destiny authorized by mrs. D McCluskey

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and even an address which I won't repeat

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because it's it's just an address here

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in Sydney and that long since who ever

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lived there in 1980 wouldn't be living

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there anymore I would imagine well I

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don't know who you were or are mrs. D

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McCluskey but you left your mark briefly

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I'm sure thousands her people would have

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read that or try to have read it a bit

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there are thousands and thousands of

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words here and I'm sure whoever you are

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all were you must have been or are was

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very passionate believer now this

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reminds me very much of a more recent

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heralding of the end of the world you

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will remember I'm sure only back in 2011

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we had the end of the world coming as

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prophesied by Harold Camping from The

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Family Radio outfit in the United States

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now his his group we're so convinced

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that the end of the world was coming on

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the 21st of May 2011 Judgment Day there

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were billboards all over the world

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including here in Sydney on Parramatta

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Road I remember seeing when I took a

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photograph of it which is a major

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thoroughfare here in Sydney major way in

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and out of the city Giants signed which

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said Judgment Day May 21st the Bible

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guarantees that cry mightily unto God

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family radio.com

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and indeed when I was walking down town

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in the early in 2011 I came across a

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fellow holding out to handing out two

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flyers and booklets and things about

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this very issue Family Radio end of the

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world

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Judgment Day May 21st and I said to him

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the classic thing which people always

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say to end of the world prophecies

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people peddling this if you think the

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end of the world is coming well why do

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you give me all your money now and save

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the time now I guess he'd heard that

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twenty times that day anyway now this

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also reminds me that some years ago

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James Randi put together a list of

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prophecies going back to ancient ancient

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ancient times the end of the world was

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supposed to be for example in the year

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960 1033 1186 1260 February the first 15

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24 15 32 15 33 15 33 again 15:37 not a

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happy time to be alive fifteen seventy

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two and so on and so on we'll get more

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closer to modern times let's have a look

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now 1881

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and again here in 1953 both those I

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apparently have something to do with the

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figures calculated from the Great

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Pyramid Jehovah's Witnesses said the

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world would end in 1975

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some say Nostradamus said it would be

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1999 and not forgetting the more recent

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2011 with the family radio but there are

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many more to be added so yes I think

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it's important to keep these things I'm

548
00:27:37,540 --> 00:27:34,870
glad I discovered that ranting from 30

549
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:37,550
37 years ago in the Sydney Morning

550
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,190
Herald

551
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:40,679
would cost a lot of money a lot of money

552
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:43,529
to put that up and it's a good lesson to

553
00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:46,710
learn and to remember when the next end

554
00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:49,740
of the world prophecy comes around which

555
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:52,889
it will is to have on hand or have

556
00:28:00,259 --> 00:27:55,919
reference to all the failed ones thus

557
00:28:03,499 --> 00:28:00,269
far and it may allay some fears when we

558
00:28:06,379 --> 00:28:03,509
looked at or maybe it could be viewed as

559
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:06,389
comic and sometimes laughing of a

560
00:28:15,499 --> 00:28:09,690
silliness like that can lay fears I'll

561
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:15,509
put a link to the PDF of that that

562
00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:18,059
ranting from 1980 on this week's show

563
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:20,070
note so if you want to if you're brave

564
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:22,590
enough you can peruse that document from

565
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:25,740
all those years ago I wonder if anybody

566
00:28:29,899 --> 00:28:27,450
at the time who read that took it

567
00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:29,909
seriously and was worried about the end

568
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:46,640
[Music]

569
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:00,299
you may know that Brit homies who is an

570
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:02,760
international skeptical campaigner about

571
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:06,480
naturopathy is currently being sued for

572
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:09,690
defamation it used to be a naturopath

573
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:12,419
herself but she now spends a lot of time

574
00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:15,270
and effort exposing naturopathic

575
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:18,020
practices including on her own blog

576
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,330
naturopathic Diaries she's been taken to

577
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:26,820
court in Germany by us-based naturopath

578
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:28,890
quote doctor and Bert

579
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:31,950
Colleen Huber who is claiming that Brit

580
00:29:37,159 --> 00:29:35,070
has defamed her on her blog Huber is a

581
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:37,169
critic of chemotherapy and radiation

582
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:41,130
therapy in cancer treatment instead she

583
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:44,340
uses quote natural end quote therapies

584
00:29:51,380 --> 00:29:47,220
that include intravenous infusions of

585
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,390
vitamin C and a baking soda the

586
00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:53,460
international skeptical community is

587
00:29:59,450 --> 00:29:55,830
concerned that the case against Britt

588
00:30:02,169 --> 00:29:59,460
may have the effect of silencing a major

589
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:02,179
campaigner against unproven and

590
00:30:08,289 --> 00:30:04,980
disproven quote medical and quote

591
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:08,299
practices through the imposition of

592
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:15,990
considerable legal costs for this reason

593
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,210
the Australian skeptics have set up a

594
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:21,120
fund raising campaign to help cover

595
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Brits legal costs if you would like to

596
00:30:30,649 --> 00:30:26,130
contribute to the fund where you want

597
00:30:37,639 --> 00:30:30,659
some more information then go to WWC

598
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:37,649
upticks calm au / brit hermès that's bri

599
00:31:08,350 --> 00:30:47,690
TT h er m es w w skeptics calm

600
00:31:15,549 --> 00:31:08,360
/ Britt Hermes here's Maynard spooky

601
00:31:16,990 --> 00:31:15,559
action at the distance well I'm just

602
00:31:18,909 --> 00:31:17,000
down the end of the bar here at the

603
00:31:20,529 --> 00:31:18,919
usual skeptics in the pub and tonight

604
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,539
we're downstairs and level 1 which is

605
00:31:23,499 --> 00:31:21,919
like the good room the parents have let

606
00:31:25,299 --> 00:31:23,509
you in too because the young liberals

607
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:25,309
are having a meeting upstairs I'll be up

608
00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:26,929
there later asking about why they want

609
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:28,460
to cut the doll off to people under 30

610
00:31:31,659 --> 00:31:30,350
and what Tony Abbott should actually say

611
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,669
when people ask him what he thinks of

612
00:31:35,649 --> 00:31:34,159
the Turnbull government look now as you

613
00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:35,659
know we like to find out what makes

614
00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:37,220
someone want to come on to a skeptics

615
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:38,600
meeting in the first place particularly

616
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:40,840
they haven't got a beard who we got here

617
00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:43,610
Marius and Marius well how did you find

618
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:45,080
yourself your first skeptics in the pub

619
00:31:49,539 --> 00:31:46,370
and why would you want to hang out with

620
00:31:53,139 --> 00:31:49,549
a bunch of cranks like this I found this

621
00:31:55,869 --> 00:31:53,149
on meetup and oh well I'm a bit of a

622
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:55,879
crank myself so I hope I'll fit right in

623
00:32:00,430 --> 00:31:58,549
what's your specialty crank area at the

624
00:32:03,549 --> 00:32:00,440
moment I'm finishing my degree in

625
00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:03,559
mathematics and business okay what are

626
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:04,940
you the most skeptical of then what's

627
00:32:11,649 --> 00:32:07,600
the thing that really gets your goat up

628
00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:11,659
astrology naturopathy people putting hot

629
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:13,940
rocks on someone's back I don't know the

630
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,210
job market oh okay fair enough that can

631
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:18,799
be a bit yeah that's that isn't really

632
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:22,370
very logical out there is it no okay and

633
00:32:25,749 --> 00:32:24,169
what are you hoping to get out of it by

634
00:32:28,779 --> 00:32:25,759
the way yeah meet some like-minded

635
00:32:32,259 --> 00:32:28,789
people I guess meet like-minded people i

636
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,269
I saw late last year I saw a sign in a

637
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:35,200
high school up in the Hunter that said

638
00:32:40,990 --> 00:32:38,330
when we think we have the truth we stop

639
00:32:42,909 --> 00:32:41,000
learning and I thought that was a very

640
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:42,919
well I thought more schools should have

641
00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:45,590
signs like that yes

642
00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:48,020
it's a good one yes good school motto as

643
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,860
well enjoy your second meeting tonight

644
00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:52,640
yes

645
00:32:58,750 --> 00:32:56,780
thank you very much where can I get a

646
00:33:01,210 --> 00:32:58,760
jacket like that oh okay

647
00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:01,220
and of course there's a supplementary

648
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:03,470
question where can I get a jacket like

649
00:33:06,010 --> 00:33:03,770
that

650
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:06,020
two dollars second-hand shop in New

651
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:10,250
Castle near Hamilton station see I'm

652
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:12,200
doing fashion advice now Jessica that's

653
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,770
wonderful I mean no one I can no one I

654
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:17,840
can think of is better better qualified

655
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:19,310
than you that's true it's got a bit of a

656
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:21,410
70s thing going on which is good I was

657
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:22,760
I'm gonna be asking people tonight

658
00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:23,960
because we're talking about the loss of

659
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:25,550
Barry Williams The Skeptical movement

660
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:28,130
and it makes me wonder how would you

661
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:29,750
like to be remembered after you're gone

662
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:32,090
now the answer can be a skeptical answer

663
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:33,830
or could be light-hearted but it's

664
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:34,940
something that we don't like to think

665
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:36,770
about and also something we have pretty

666
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:39,650
much no control over oh absolutely I'm

667
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:42,430
completely in denial I'm never gonna go

668
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:44,210
what would you like the old is that

669
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:46,490
woman who did that thing that one time

670
00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:50,930
once I know that I suppose I'd be like

671
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:52,700
well I'd like to be remembered by my

672
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:55,010
friends in the skeptical movement as

673
00:34:02,020 --> 00:33:58,490
somebody who made a contribution however

674
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:02,030
small that's true and what was it like

675
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,770
it buries feeling one as you go along

676
00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:06,080
yeah I went to Barry's funeral it was

677
00:34:13,930 --> 00:34:10,840
sad of course but it was a good

678
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:13,940
celebration and and remembrance of his

679
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:16,970
life and everything that he achieved in

680
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,460
all the areas skeptical and also in the

681
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Air Force and

682
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:23,570
as a family man it was it was really

683
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:27,290
lovely and when it comes to people dying

684
00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:29,240
do you think that perhaps when they do

685
00:34:33,849 --> 00:34:32,270
leave sometimes initially you tend to

686
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:33,859
sugarcoat their memory a little bit much

687
00:34:38,109 --> 00:34:35,929
like yeah you often don't get eulogies

688
00:34:39,819 --> 00:34:38,119
that go well you know this person or

689
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,829
that person he didn't pay back his loans

690
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:42,320
on time and he always wore Pepys shoes

691
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:43,490
do you ever get anything like that did

692
00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:44,750
it that is interesting that you can't

693
00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:46,520
really and Bigley immediately after

694
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:47,960
they've gone you can't really say

695
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:50,419
anything bad well that wasn't the case

696
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:52,490
at Barry's funeral I mean there was

697
00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:55,190
there was no dirt like unpaid loans or

698
00:35:02,859 --> 00:34:58,910
anything like that but but certainly he

699
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:02,869
was he was given his due as a skeptical

700
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:04,220
curmudgeon which he would have been most

701
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:09,170
happy with and his his family were were

702
00:35:14,589 --> 00:35:12,170
quite honest in calling him one of the

703
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:14,599
most annoying people you could ever hope

704
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:15,140
to meet

705
00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:22,310
or live with as a made me forget what I

706
00:35:28,839 --> 00:35:24,470
was going to say next up it'll come

707
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:28,849
that's funny because I'm here with Iran

708
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,130
as well he's ready for a big night here

709
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:32,720
I believe they were in the nice room

710
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:35,510
tonight Ali we're in a nice room I'm not

711
00:35:38,829 --> 00:35:37,130
sure they're gonna let us in again but

712
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,839
they're laters in ones with

713
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:41,359
troublemakers but after you I feel gone

714
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:44,210
after you're no longer on this mortal

715
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:46,130
realm or whatever we're living in how

716
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:47,720
would you like to be remembered I mean

717
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:48,890
you really don't have much of a say over

718
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:50,089
it but how would you like to be

719
00:35:54,579 --> 00:35:52,730
remembered well you mean when I'm dead

720
00:35:56,410 --> 00:35:54,589
yeah when you're dead yeah it's funny

721
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:56,420
you don't like using that you know

722
00:36:00,270 --> 00:35:58,490
they've passed on they've shuffled off

723
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:00,280
no one says they're dead yeah do they

724
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:03,170
that's the word dead is actually quite

725
00:36:07,329 --> 00:36:04,609
representative of what actually happens

726
00:36:09,609 --> 00:36:07,339
yes I would like to be my mean I think

727
00:36:11,380 --> 00:36:09,619
it depends by whom

728
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:11,390
definitely within the skeptics I would

729
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:13,700
like to fit to be to be remembered as

730
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:15,650
somebody who's contributed and made a

731
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:17,390
difference to the organization to the

732
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:25,430
community in my family actually thought

733
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:26,930
of any funeral plans at this stage

734
00:36:31,569 --> 00:36:28,130
you're fairly young you wouldn't

735
00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:31,579
wouldn't no no no I have no I no I I

736
00:36:36,789 --> 00:36:36,140
don't have any plans to to die anytime

737
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:36,799
soon

738
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:38,450
therefore I haven't thought I had made

739
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:42,460
funeral plans frankly I'm not much for

740
00:36:47,259 --> 00:36:44,930
you know you know least for those

741
00:36:49,809 --> 00:36:47,269
remaining so as far as I'm concerned

742
00:36:51,759 --> 00:36:49,819
those remaining can decide what suits

743
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:51,769
them and you know like I don't believe

744
00:36:57,309 --> 00:36:53,450
in an afterlife I believe that when I'm

745
00:36:58,839 --> 00:36:57,319
dead that's it for me so I just hope

746
00:37:01,450 --> 00:36:58,849
they'll do what's what's right for them

747
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:01,460
and what makes them feel best about me

748
00:37:06,279 --> 00:37:02,930
going it could be that what they'll be

749
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,289
doing is going she is no hopefully not

750
00:37:10,299 --> 00:37:09,200
you know but you had you found Barry's

751
00:37:11,950 --> 00:37:10,309
funeral by the way Barry Williams

752
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:11,960
funeral was it a good one

753
00:37:16,329 --> 00:37:13,609
or as far as a funeral be a good one

754
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:16,339
look the thing is he was probably too

755
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:17,779
young to die but he was not a young man

756
00:37:22,509 --> 00:37:20,960
he was not particularly well he was sick

757
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:22,519
for a while he was in hospital for about

758
00:37:30,819 --> 00:37:28,130
five or six weeks so that helps it's

759
00:37:33,269 --> 00:37:30,829
still difficult to say goodbye to family

760
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:33,279
man into a friend I've known Barry for

761
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:36,170
17 years he was my first contact with in

762
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:40,400
this kept achill movement and we we've

763
00:37:45,009 --> 00:37:43,609
talked about things extensively over the

764
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:45,019
years I spoke to him about a week before

765
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:47,930
he died I was going to visit him so not

766
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:52,160
being able to see him was was difficult

767
00:37:58,059 --> 00:37:53,960
but the funeral I think represented the

768
00:37:59,780 --> 00:37:58,069
man he was shocked he was cheerful in a

769
00:38:01,820 --> 00:37:59,790
sense you know like you know people

770
00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:01,830
talk about how he was about his sense of

771
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:03,360
humor and about his contribution but the

772
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:05,070
skeptics is condition2 the life of

773
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:07,230
people around him I thought it was a

774
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,440
very nice you know again for those

775
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:13,200
remaining I don't think very would care

776
00:38:19,850 --> 00:38:16,200
so if there is an afterlife he's gonna

777
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:19,860
be very surprised isn't he I think now I

778
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:21,210
think it would be in line with what he

779
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:22,920
would have expected cricket was

780
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:25,500
mentioned often crickets because cricket

781
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,700
is something that when you talk about

782
00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:29,760
Barry cricket has to be mentioned very

783
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:31,560
often that's the way it is with Barry

784
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,540
cricket needs to be mentioned cricket a

785
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:41,040
lot of people are cancelling their death

786
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:43,020
this evening I'm speaking to yes after

787
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:44,370
you're dead how do you think you'd like

788
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:49,110
people to remember you I'm not gonna die

789
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:51,510
well it does avoid the question that's a

790
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:54,450
rather I hadn't thought of that and I

791
00:39:00,580 --> 00:38:55,800
think people are gonna remember me for

792
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,590
very long I think you'd be surprised

793
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:02,460
probably wouldn't be surprised because

794
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:05,250
I'd be dead oh yeah Billy's two

795
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:07,560
generations in it usually you know yeah

796
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,420
if you guys happen to get given a bit of

797
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:10,800
thought to what sort of legacy you're on

798
00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:13,230
leave when you go yeah there'll be the

799
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:23,120
saddam hussein exit is it just don't do

800
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:27,120
the Gadhafi i'm not so good okay good

801
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:28,500
luck would you tell interion government

802
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:29,490
see we got a lot of people like that

803
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:31,050
here what about you serve you thought

804
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:32,790
about know what now is he had he's

805
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,130
another person who's not gonna die okay

806
00:39:41,090 --> 00:39:36,720
that's alright do we got over here how

807
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:41,100
how are you do I see bender few music

808
00:39:46,090 --> 00:39:43,170
festivals lately haven't you yes it was

809
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:46,100
pretty good I went to burning seed very

810
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:49,110
very eccentric place I'm sure you could

811
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,790
find a lot of good pseudoscience there

812
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:52,680
but it's fun everyone there is so lovely

813
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:54,090
they'll come up to you and tell you that

814
00:39:57,730 --> 00:39:56,220
they can they can see your soul and

815
00:40:01,450 --> 00:39:57,740
they'll tell you that your soul is

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could anyone see your aura I haven't

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asked but I think that if you did a

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survey there pretty soon you could find

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someone who could read your aura did

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they describe what the song you had

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looked like no but I'll ask next time

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yeah okay if you could see it's Maddie

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bum draw it or better still take a photo

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I will I mean I hope my soul's good

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looking hope so

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and when you actually depart this planet

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shuffle off this mortal coil go to what

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other the other room maybe if there's

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one but it's a skeptics meeting so is

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saying there isn't how would you like to

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be remembered my honest I just want

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people to say that I was nice that was a

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nice person that's all so what do you

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want the first thing to come out of

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their mouth when they go home she's died

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and you want people to say the first

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thing that comes out their mouth about

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you well on the hearing of your death

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that's fine that's good then that's a

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happy thing and they you could so see

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her soul her aura not so much better

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oh and you might be wondering hey Mona

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how would you like to be remembered

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after you died well I've well let that

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dies already been cast because of all

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the work I've done around the place and

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on the internet pretty much you only

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have to look up Wikipedia to I was that

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guy that did something once and I think

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that that you know that's that says it

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all really back to the studio we Richard

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Saunders who is standing by with more

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone this week and thank you to Heidi

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and may not great to have your voices

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back on the skeptic zone now some

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information about some upcoming events

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around the traps our friends at Maury

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Alec skeptics Morty skeptics in the pub

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this Tuesday the 6th of February and

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that's at the Maury Alec Sporting Club

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south of Melbourne they've got to meet

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up and the title is rogues and reputable

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z' with Don Hyatt we read in the media

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of those that prey on the gullible and

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the uninformed miracle cures tables to

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make your child more intelligent the

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list goes on and there are those who

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fight the good fight and are trying to

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save consumers from themselves an

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interesting talk to be sure and you can

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find out more about that by following

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the link on this week's show notes and

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of course we have logic ll a as on the

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9th of this month to the 11th and it

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says logic Cal la 2018 brings many

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exciting speakers to the Los Angeles

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area for an inspiring weekend of

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critical thinking and skepticism social

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evening events and entertainment and

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again I'll add a link to the show notes

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or if you just look up well logic al L

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oh gee I see al - la you'll find out all

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about that and I wish I could be there

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and I hope it goes off with a bang thank

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you once again to those people who

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continue in 2018 to support the sceptic

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zone financially in a very real sense

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you really do help to keep the show

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oh.hello going hello you're back what's

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up no more thanks you too and if you

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want to contribute to the show help us

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keep it going it's uh it's very easy you

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can go to skeptic zone TV and support us

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a via patreon or PayPal much appreciated

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and coming up before I forget next month

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and Sydney skeptics in the pub we're

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having a special sceptical trivia

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evening lara Benham Maynard and myself

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will be presenting

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60 trivia questions based on your

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knowledge of skepticism lots of fun

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drinks along the way some other prizes

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and I hope you can join us more details

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again by looking at the show notes or

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just turn up at the Occidental hotel

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first Thursday of every month that

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Wynyard here in Sydney but until next

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week where I'm sure I'll be completely

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well again this is Richard Saunders and

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Maude who is now somewhere behind me oh

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there she is rolling on her back oh how

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cute is that signing off from Sydney

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